[CAP] Apple Prohibits Emergency Warning on iPhone 3G?
Ernst, Darrell E.
dernst at mitre.org
Thu Jun 12 09:25:15 PDT 2008
Excellent discussion. Thank you very much for your insights.
Darrell
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Subject: RE: [CAP] Apple Prohibits Emergency Warning on iPhone 3G?
As most 9-1-1 and other emergency software applications now run on
Windows platforms, I guess we have solved this riddle. :-)
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Subject: Re: [CAP] Apple Prohibits Emergency Warning on iPhone 3G?
And I would like to add that Microsoft has similar language in their
licenses for Windows (and as mentioned already, Sun has for Java). I
believe this is just standard legalese from the lawyers to attempt to
limit liability.
And we all know Windows and Java are being used in systems which
definitely have an effect on nuclear power plant operations as the
recent SCRAM of a reactor at the Edwin I. Hatch Nuclear Plant so
dramatically showed.
In the information-poor environment of immediate emergency response
people need to use whatever tools help protect life and property and
let the after-action analyses deal with the license restrictions.
David E. Price SRO, CHMM
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At 11:40 AM -0400 6/12/08, David Aylward wrote:
>As a lawyer, I am amused by Apple's restriction, and impressed by
Art's
>legal advice.
>
>
>David K. Aylward, Director
>COMCARE Emergency Response Alliance
>1050 17th Street NW Suite 600
>Washington, DC 20036
>202.255.3215 (mobile)
>202.429.0574 ext. 3619 (office)
>202.521-4047 (fax)
>daylward at comcare.org
>
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>[mailto:cap-list-bounces at lists.incident.com] On Behalf Of Art
Botterell
>Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 10:59 AM
>To: Ernst, Darrell E.
>Cc: Smith, Winston I.; Walsh,Joe; cap-list at lists.incident.com;
Marshall,
>Jim
>Subject: Re: [CAP] Apple Prohibits Emergency Warning on iPhone 3G?
>
>Liability control... reminds me of the Java license's prohibition
>against using the language in the design or operation of nuclear
>reactors.
>
>While I am not a lawyer and nothing here should be construed as legal
>advice [see, any number can play!] I'd speculate that application
>developers might simply follow suit with license language of their own
>along the lines of "This application is provided as a news and
>information service; it should not be relied upon as a sole or primary
>source of emergency or life-saving information."
>
>A bit of appropriate public-expectation management is probably never a
>bad idea with warning systems anyway.
>
>- Art
>
>
>On Jun 12, 2008, at 6/12/08 5:41 AM, Ernst, Darrell E. wrote:
>
>> An article in GPS World Online
>>
>>
http://lbs.gpsworld.com/gpslbs/LBS+News/Apple-Dont-Bother-with-Route-
>> Gu
>> idance-Fleet-Manage/ArticleStandard/Article/detail/523198?
>> contextCatego
>> ryId=38444
>>
>>
>>
>> says that the software developer's license prohibits many
>> location-based services. Here is the relevant quote from the
license:
>>
>>
>>
>> "Applications may not be designed or marketed for
>> real-time route guidance; automatic or autonomous control of
vehicles,
>> aircraft, or other mechanical devices; dispatch or fleet
management;
>> or
>> emergency or life-saving purposes,"
>>
>>
>>
>> Does this mean that applications that display emergency warnings
are
>> prohibited on the device? Many fields in the CAP protocol were
>> developed specifically to support location-based communications.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Darrell E. Ernst
>>
>> Principal Defense Space Systems Engineer
>>
>> The MITRE Corporation
>>
>> +1-703-983-5914 (Office)
>>
>> +1-703-606-3867 (Cell)
>>
>> +1-703-983-1370 (Fax)
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